tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9405828.post7294196594631648215..comments2023-11-03T11:48:36.234+00:00Comments on Chris Hamer-Hodges: UnbreakableChris Hamer-Hodgeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15680998868164693275noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9405828.post-72609476371539461982008-02-13T12:08:00.000+00:002008-02-13T12:08:00.000+00:00ChrisWith Christ being the substitutionary Lamb ha...Chris<BR/><BR/>With Christ being the substitutionary Lamb have a look at this,<BR/><BR/>Genesis 22:8 - God Himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering.<BR/><BR/>Exodus 12:5 - Your lamb shall be without blemish. <BR/><BR/>Isaiah 53:7 - He was oppressed and afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth; He was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He did not open His mouth.<BR/><BR/>John 1:29 - Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.<BR/><BR/>1 Peter 1:18-19 - You were redeemed...with the precious blood of Christ, a Lamb without blemish or defect.<BR/><BR/>Revelation 5:6 - Then I saw a Lamb, looking as it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne<BR/><BR/>Notice the progression, from provision and plan to rule and reign. <BR/><BR/>Have a great day<BR/><BR/>RichardRichard Bentallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08387331100620512498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9405828.post-19067153934194639832008-02-01T04:39:00.000+00:002008-02-01T04:39:00.000+00:00Chris,Some interesting thoughts. I would say you'r...Chris,<BR/>Some interesting thoughts. I would say you're on to something in seeing an emphasis on brokenness, and by extension victimhood, as amiss (since his bones were not broken); however, is not the brokenness of the Lord's Supper a distributive property of the meal rather than a symbol of the actual condition of his bones? Brokenness is but the means by which the community of faith shares his one sacrifice (loaf). For bread to be shared, it must be broken. That I think makes a better connection to the 1 Corinthians 11 warnings and the body of Christ imagery that follows in the next chapter that you alluded to. It is wondrous that breaking him into pieces so that each may partake in effect causes each that partakes to be united together in him.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the always thought provoking.SLWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04260137021205685080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9405828.post-10587901886168064662008-01-31T22:59:00.000+00:002008-01-31T22:59:00.000+00:00Praise God for his victory, indeed!Thanks anonymou...Praise God for his victory, indeed!<BR/><BR/>Thanks anonymous for your comments, and please don't think you have to remain anonymous because you disagree on some points. I welcome all intelligent and constructive debate here.<BR/><BR/>I think it is a question of emphasis. I don't doubt that Christ was broken for us, nor am I saying it's wrong to say that when we break bread. I've done so myself many times... But I was struck by the emphasis in the Gospel accounts that his bones were not broken. It challenged me to rethink my own emphasis, on the brokenness verses the unbrokenness of Christ. Apart from a footnote in this one verse there is nowhere else in all the word that speaks of Christ being "broken."<BR/><BR/>If at any point what we teach or even if what we emphasise is different to what we find on closer inspection in the word, then its not the word that has it wrong!<BR/><BR/>Regarding how the sacraments are effective towards us, the answer is (as with so many other things) <I>by</I> grace, <I>through</I> faith, <I>in</I> the Spirit.Chris Hamer-Hodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15680998868164693275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9405828.post-48178791392312613042008-01-31T19:44:00.000+00:002008-01-31T19:44:00.000+00:00"It is a means of grace to us through which the ve..."It is a means of grace to us through which the very blessings represented are also imparted."<BR/>Sacraments aye? How exactly do you mean? Through remembrance? Through obedience? And while his bones may not have been broken, his body was, at least in my translation of the verse you read. I disagree slightly, in that he was both victor and victim, he took all our weaknesses and still conquered because the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. But its true that the crucifix does not obviously represent that. J.I. Packer said that focus on an actual crucifix in worship can be idolatry because of how it hides Gods nature, and leads to a morbid fascination with the pain element. I thought that an interesting idea in light of "the passion of the Christ". I'm not sure I follow all his ideas on idolatry, but to me the ultimate focus for worship must be the actual Jesus who is actually with us! Not some icon or statue that suggests he is far away.<BR/>I'm so with you on the ascension though, praise God for his victory!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com